tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283072392763163737.post6395484830637977728..comments2024-02-27T12:41:35.811-08:00Comments on Coming to Terms...: The Creator Hearts WomenLisa :-]http://www.blogger.com/profile/02237889098638895390noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283072392763163737.post-25964849644207029242013-07-09T10:14:10.015-07:002013-07-09T10:14:10.015-07:00Oh and forgot to mention that the "marriage&q...Oh and forgot to mention that the "marriage" between Christianity and Rome produced a bastard offspring. Rome had already imposed her straight lines and tidy fortresses on most of the known world. Morgan Llywellyn's novel Druids spends about half the book detailing the efforts of the tribes in the part of Gaul that was still free to stay free. Looking at empire building through the eyes of the targets was, enlightening probably doesn't go far enough. And if I hadn't been doing so much reading about US trade and diplomacy south of the border it might not have hit quite so hard. The neocons were right. We are the new Rome. Just not in the way they meant. We may still have time to avoid their fate. But it'll take some serious soul searching and too many of our fellow citizens couldn't find their souls with a flash light and a road map. Although they claim to have them and also claim to tend them "religiously." I am in a ranting mood aren't I. JACKIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11883028058826030899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283072392763163737.post-77595102840038875172013-07-09T10:04:55.891-07:002013-07-09T10:04:55.891-07:00It took me a few tries, and maybe I had to read th...It took me a few tries, and maybe I had to read the right things first, but I made it through Turner's Beyond Geography: The Western Spirit Against the Wilderness. Finally. And by the time I got to the midpoint it was "damn I can't keep my eyes open any longer." Part poetic prose and very much a polemic he starts with the forging of the People of Israel in the Wilderness (capitals deliberate) and moves on from there. <br /><br />From his point of view it wasn't just Constantine recognizing Christianity as a religion allowed in the empire, it helped. It was the decisions of the early fathers to cut off all possibility of new revelations with the Apostles. It drove those strains of Christianity (and any offshoots) either drove underground or destroyed any effort to listen to the voices heard in the natural world. You've heard them. I've heard them; hear them. They whisper. They sing. They cry out. they refuse to be tamed. They're fertile, fecund, untamed, dangerous. Their world is full of shifting paths, curving lines, rivers that overflow their banks, plants that end up where you don't want them. Not to be allowed in a world governed by those in love with order, straight lines and square boxes. And the most important? If you've gained power by using a certain belief system. Hell will freeze over, stars will fall, the sun will go out before most humans will give up that power. They echo Satan in Paradise Lost. 'Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."<br /><br />Kathleen Norris said in Cloister Walk that all men, not matter how much they hate women, had to be birthed by a woman. And some of them refuse to forgive for that undeniable fact. <br /><br />I'm going to be spending a fair amount of time writing about who I'm reading. At least that's the plan. Anything that sounds interesting let me know. I'll stick it in the mail. <br /><br />And this comment is verging on a journal entry. JACKIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11883028058826030899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283072392763163737.post-66835563314747362022013-07-09T09:15:42.462-07:002013-07-09T09:15:42.462-07:00Yes, Terri--that is true. But religion has, unfor...Yes, Terri--that is true. But religion has, unfortunately, been ADVANCED by male dominant religions which resort to placing a big, all-powerful, vengeful, violent MALE god in charge of keeping us all in line. Perhaps Abrahamic religions didn't <b>create</b> our male-dominated societies, but they have certainly proved an effective tool for maintaining and expanding them. Lisa :-]https://www.blogger.com/profile/02237889098638895390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283072392763163737.post-87455733622921176032013-07-09T04:27:13.713-07:002013-07-09T04:27:13.713-07:00And many of those women who are mad as hell are pr...And many of those women who are mad as hell are practicing Christians working to return the church to its heritage - without women there would be no Christianity for the early church met in homes with women as the leaders of prayers and table hospitality. It was only when Christianity became the dominant religion of the Roman Empire and the religion of the emperor himself that Christianity moved out of homes and formed itself along the lines of male Roman hierarchy. Many other faiths did much the same - as the cultures became more male dominant, as "civilization" formed and people moved away agrarian societies and female goddess of nature, life, and birth and into male gods so did the faith and belief systems. The Abrahamic faiths reflect the cultures they were born in (Persian, Egyptian, Roman) and their dominant maleness, not the other way around. HOWEVER, people of faith today can continue, as we are, to change the world view. That includes what the media thinks, portrays, and says about people like me. I live every day in a world where I struggle to have my voice heard. And it happens every where. <br /><br />I will know we are making some headway when we stop using the word "man" and "mankind" to describe all humanity. Why not say people, or humankind? <br /><br />The problem you raise is much bigger and more pervasive than than the world of religion.Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667178624061122421noreply@blogger.com